The Chastity Interviews - Mistress160

I was invited to take part in an interview for The Chastity Interviews. You can read the original interview here. The site owner has kindly given us permission to reproduce the interview on my blog. If you enjoy chastity, T&D etc you might find this of interest:

WHO IS MISTRESS160:

Mistress160 is an Australian Lifestyle Dominant, Fetish Educator and Writer who lives in a 24/7 relationship with her husband solipsist. Their D/s marriage is documented on her blog Mistress160's Abode . Ms160 also writes a popular BDSM For Beginners blog.

QUESTIONS:

THE BASICS:

I am a: Lifestyle Dominant - or Domme, if that helps identify my sex!
I identify as: Straight with bi interests
My partner is: My life partner (solipsist) is male, I play with subs of all genders
My interest in chastity is: Personal. I also teach about erotic sexual denial.
Do you practice orgasm control or orgasm denial? Both. Orgasm Control is my favorite of the two.
When did you first become aware of your interest in orgasm denial? Many years ago! Solipsist and I have been members of orgasmdenial.com for a very long time, and I also moderate groups dedicated to Erotic Sexual Denial on MyDungeonSpace.com and kinkySpace.com
What is the longest time you’ve kept a partner in chastity? 4 months

EXPLORING CHASTITY IN DETAIL:

What do you enjoy the most about controlling your partner’s release?

I enjoy controlling another's pleasure. I enjoy the power I feel knowing that their pleasure is on hold to - or may be ruined at - my command. It reinforces my control.

I enjoy my partner having to ask for permission to come, knowing he has no idea in that moment of desperately desiring release / pleasure, whether I will allow him ... or not!

I also greatly enjoy playing games that extend the length of time before I allow orgasm. There are so many different games you can play with orgasm control. So far most of my experimentation has been with short term denial practices like tease&denial, tie&tease and ruined orgasm.

Tie&tease is a definite favorite. My primary play partner responds extremely well to being placed in restraint, it greatly enhances his sensation play experience to be bound as well as teased and denied. You can find some examples of T&D and Tie&tease on our blog here and here and here (please don't look unless you are okay with graphic photos).

I enjoy similar games with online play partners.

Do you practise orgasm control/denial with all your submissive partners?

With solipsist my primary partner, yes. We play all sorts of games.

With other play partners (both real time and online) it depends on their interests. Online I enjoy key holding ... I also particularly enjoy directing edging games on cam. Orgasm control and denial are also important components of some of the StudyBDSM online courses I teach with Miss Bonnie at Study BDSM on the www.collarncuffs.com site. It's important new submissives experience orgasm control / denial because it is often an important part of cyber play. It features in our "A Taste of Cyber Submission" course and especially in the "A Taste of Erotic Sexual Denial" course. You can read a bit about these courses here.

Have you ruined your partner’s orgasm before, and if so, how did he/she react? How did you react?

Oh yes many times. I have a T&D edging game I like to play that works on both mind and body levels. I masturbate my husband to the point of coming ... then when he's close to the edge stop ... then start again ... and stop ... then start again ... you know the kind of thing ... endless fun, lol. Finally he asks permission and I deny him, but this time I don't stop my hand movements. Or I begin to move my hand with strong, painful movements. Or I stop alltogether and all stimulation vanishes ... So of course he comes, trying desperately not to, again ruining sensation. This provides the opportunity for me to use the classic line "I didn't give you permission ... you're in serious trouble now!"

I also have a very nasty trick after I finally allow him to come ... he's coming down after a very intense orgasm, his cock and balls are super sensitive ... I graciously bring a small towel to him for cleaning ... and then rub the towel (dried in the sun, so crisp) over his genitals EXTREMELY briskly ... he always yowls very nicely.

How do you decide when to allow your partner to orgasm?

Sometimes I have a set goal time-wise, other times I go with what seems right during the scene. Sometimes it's because I'm extremely turned on myself.

Have you ever changed your mind and allowed your partner to orgasm sooner than you had planned?

I'm afraid I have a fiendish nature and can change plans for no reason. I might decide he deserves to come after a corporal punishment session because he has endured well or made good noises. I always enjoy pitiful pleading and sometimes change my mind if it's particular pitiful *evil grin*.

Do you enjoy hearing your partner beg or plead for relief? Why or why not?

I adore making my husband beg. He also has a particular groan he only makes, during orgasm control games. It turns me on tremendously.

What are your feelings about the use of devices for enforcing chastity on your partner? / Do you have a favorite chastity device? If so, why is it your favorite?

Different toys for different boys... I also enjoy enforcing chastity without devices, or with a symbolic device like the ribbon we make the boys wear who take the Erotic Sexual Denial course. But these days there are so many new toys around to try. We are still exploring. We want to try Nexo's Device next.

What techniques do you use to tease your partner while in public?

Erotic humiliation.
A little forced feminization.
T&D.
CBT.

What reactions do you look for from a partner who you have in chastity?

Anticipation of the game.
Desire to be chaste at my command.
Obedience to my wishes.
Acceptance of my imposed will.
Awareness of the power exchange that takes place.
Watching their erotic slide into sub space during play.
Particular sounds that are only made during T&D games.
Slight nervousness of what I might do (will I allow him to come? Will I ruin the orgasm?)
Sincerity in their voice when they beg to come.
The extraordinary intensity of watching them finally come.

How do you incorporate chastity into your “vanilla” lifestyle?

I do not have a vanilla lifestyle.

How do you know when your partner has reached the limit of his or ability to cope without orgasm? / What advice would you pass along to someone experimenting with orgasm denial for the first time? / Please describe the worst experience you have had with keeping your partner in chastity?

I've combined two questions here because in my case they overlap.

I'd advise lots of communication - and one very important piece of advice that was gained at some personal cost: when you are new at orgasm control / denial you sometimes forget to keep your sex life happening. Don't confuse lack of orgasm with lack of sex! And keep the lines of communication open. My primary relationship once suffered a hiccup because we were practicing orgasm denial during a period of major stress. In our particular situation we needed lots of sex / physical closeness during that time, and practicing OD limited that closeness.

With more experience I can see how problems could be avoided: communicate, communicate, communicate!!! And sex, sex, sex!

Have you found tease & denial to be most effective when it is primarily physical or mental?

I enjoy both.

Under what circumstances would you consider surrendering control of your own orgasms?

You jest.

Which teasing techniques do you find most effectively increases your partner’s arousal level?

Lots of T&D and CBT...

Do you believe that a person can ever be too aroused?

Males, no. Females, sometimes. I get to the point where I just go numb and can't feel anything. This means I can't orgasm. This results in a twitchy dominant who can't concentrate!

How to you prevent a partner you are keeping chaste from becoming too needy?

In my primary partner I adore the neediness :).

What things in your background do you find influence your chastity play?

I'm a dominant sadist. Solipsist is a submissive masochist. How could we not enjoy chastity play?!

Reproduced with permission of
The Chastity Interviews

Photos:
Ms160

For Destiny and chance

Our friends Destiny and chance are beginning a journey similar to the one sol and I started last year.

Chance has been painting an image of the Indian god Ganesha. It's a damn fine work in progress and I look forward some day to seeing it complete. I wanted to share with him the Ganesha statue from Bali that graces our home. OK so we are a Tibetan Buddhist household LOL but Ganesha came to us with much love.

You can see him above, in the rain, and below, on a wilder day, the Balinese prayer flags waving in the wind:


As chance noted, Ganesha is the "remover of obstacles. Lord of beginnings". He was the last item we packed and the first item we unpacked here. He has kept us safe, and receives a stick of Balinese incense every day in thanks.

Knowing Ganesha is watching over our friends makes me happy, and I will think of them when I take the "Lord of beginnings" his daily incense.

Safe journey, you two :)!

BDSM For Beginners - playing with clamps

Interested in other BDSM for Beginners posts?
You can now find them all on
Ms160's BDSM For Beginner's blog :)

Today we are going to discuss an easy and fun BDSM technique: clamps. I held a workshop on this a while back and it was a lot of fun, especially for newbies to sensation play.

WHY DO WE DO IT?

OK, first question, students: why do we like playing with clamps?

Because ... yep, that's right, clamping is a form of sensation play. Clamps create erotic sensations by cutting off circulation. You can make clamp play as mild or painful as you like, and this post includes examples of both. Clamps are a good technique for beginners. They don't require any special skill - you'll pick up what you need as you learn how your partner's body responds to clamping.

And you might be surprised by some of the clamps I discuss - in fact, you will probably have most of the "toys" I mention at home: clothes pegs (or clothes pins), bamboo skewers, a ball of string, rubber bands, etc... see, told you it was easy!

Some points to keep in mind when starting to play with clamps:

• start with a low clamping pressure and work up
  
• start with what your sub can endure, then work up to higher endurance slowly
• don't leave pegs on more than twenty minutes - keep a clock / timer in your play space
  
• the longer the clamping time, the more fierce the sensation caused by removing the pressure

WHERE DO WE USE CLAMPS?

Obviously we are not going to leave clamps in place too long (never more than 20 minutes) or place them on places near blood vessels / nerves, or where damage (such as the corpus cavernosum and corpus spongiosum of the penis, and tissues of the clitoral hood in women) can occur. Are we?!

My favorite places (on both sexes) are nipples and genitals. But I've seen pegs used in many places and for all sorts of purposes. I've sometimes created lines of pegs on sol's belly and flicked them off with a cane.

Places I've used pegs:

• labia (avoid genital jewelry)
  
• cock and balls
• nipples (avoid jewelry)
• around the breast
  
• perineum and ass cheeks
• earlobe and sides of ear (avoid jewelry)
• tongue and lips (VERY painful)
  
• around navel (avoid jewelry)
  
• webbing between fingers and toes
  
• inner thighs
  

There are many ways to put a clamp on a nipple. The key thing to remember here is placement. A clothes peg placed on the tip of the nipple is much more intense than one placed closer to the base of the nipple.

SETTING THE SCENE

OK you've decided to give clamps a try. How do you set the scene?

First, make your own preparations. Tidy the play space, place a clock nearby (to time your clamps), light some candles, make sure the room is warm enough for play, then assemble your toys - for this first session perhaps some wooden clothes pegs of different sizes and some preprepared bamboo skewers (see bottom of post)....

I'd have your partner lie down, naked, facing upwards - and if you are new to real time play, try blindfolding them. This will really up the sensation play from their point of view. And from yours, it will add confidence because you won't be worried about them seeing you making mistakes, or checking the clock or whatever. If you don't have a blindfold in the toy box just use a scarf or an empty pillow case.

If you have restraints why not cuff their hands together as well? They'll be deep in subspace before the first clamp is attached.

Now you have your partner naked, blindfolded and bound the world is your oyster! Caress them lightly, especially the areas you plan to focus on. Then move your toys within range ... pick up a single clamp, drag it over their body ... a light touch at first and then heavily ... before attaching it in a less sensitive area...

Observe your partner's response, their breathing, the warmth of their skin ... if all is well proceed with more clamps, finishing up in the more sensitive spots. Attaching clamps to nipples and genitals will set their blood racing ... whether you let them come or not is of course up to you....

Keep an eye on the time, make sure no clamps stay on for over 20 minutes. Some people enjoy removing clamps in the same order they placed them, one by one ... or you can remove them all quickly by sliding your hand down your partner's body. Removing clamps can be more intense than putting them on. This means in terms of play that you can create even more sensation by HOW you remove the clamp - I love to remove the clamp and then press my fingertips onto the skin, forcing the blood back quickly.

Remember too that clamp play can be intense enough to trigger sub space and your sub may require aftercare. Check before the scene what their aftercare needs are. Immediately after the scene make sure they are warm - a blanket would be fine - and have access to some kind of drink.

TYPES OF CLAMPS:
CLOTHES PEGS

As I mentioned before, many of the clamps I'm going to mention you will have around the house. Let's look a clothes pegs first.

What have you got at your place? Plastic ones? Good, we can use them. But first I want to talk with you about wooden clothes pegs, which tend to be a bit milder, sensation wise. These are very common in BDSM play because they are practical - and also cheap, which means you can throw them out after a scene, if you play with more than one partner.

They come in various sizes:


The "regular" size, the one you are used to having around the house, is actually second from the left in that photo. The largest one and smaller ones you will find at craft stores. It's good to have a range of sizes because this changes their clamping strength. Keep an eye out for novelty wooden pegs, too. They can add greatly to your toykit:


You can see what I did to sol with those Xmas peg here. So back to the different sizes:

You can have a great time placing these all over the male genitals.

I think sol and I once reached 140 as our record!

The largest craft peg (the really big one) is very mild in sensation, although of course this depends where it's placed. As they decrease in size they become more deadly. My favorite size is the second smallest size, because they have a decent bite but can be tolerated. The tiny ones you only get a few on and your sub is yowling - sol describes the tiny pegs as "just evil" and as intense as Japanese clover clamps. We'll get to those in a minute....

If you only have access to regular size clothes pegs and you find the pressure too much (unmodified, regular size wooden clothespins grip with between four and six pounds of pressure over an area of about one-quarter by one-half inch) you need to find a way to reduce that pressure. I'd suggest weakening the springs of the peg by holding the peg open to it's limit with some type of clamp for a couple of days. This should reduce the clamping pressure by several pounds.

However, most of you will probably want more sensation rather than less....

OKAY THAT WAS FUN BUT HOW
DO WE UP THE PRESSURE?

You lot are worse masochists than sol, honestly! Readers be warned, we are leaving the novice level part of the post behind now and are moving into the intermediate and advanced levels. Stop here if you'd like to go try the scene I mentioned, with wooden clothes pegs....

For those who desire more, the easiest way to increase the grip of wooden pegs is by wrapping the clamping end with elastic bands:


Different types of rubber band and different amounts of wrapping will vary the grip.

This might be a good time to check out the plastic pegs in your laundry. What do they look like? Pick one up an examine it, then open it. What I want you to look for is how it's constructed at the point where it grips. These ones below, can you see they have round grip area:


Sol also found these recently:


Their grip area looks like this:


By rights the top style with the round grip area should be more intense but we find the pegs are cheaply made and tend to twist - and that's bloody painful but not fun. The gray and white ones on the other hand are better made and the oval grip area provides excellent intense sensation.

This is why people call plastic pegs "more bitey" than wooden ones. In fact again sol compared them to clover clamps. So let's take a look at those:


We are getting into severe clamp play here. Can you see their grip in the photo above? It's ferocious. These you won't have sitting around the house LOL but I really do recommend you invest in a pair. They are invaluable, sol loves / hates them, I rarely have a scene where they are not used.

Mostly they come attached via a chain like this, which makes nipple play perfect. I love the fact that pulling on the chain tightens the clamps even further (the center section, on which the chain is connected, tightens the ends when pulled):


With metal clamps, you can incorporate temperature play into the experience by chilling or warming the clamps before you use them. Which reminds me that temperature play and wax play are both good forms of play to follow on from clamps.

Want some more ideas to add sensation? Try adding a tiny piece of sandpaper to where the peg grips, with wooden pegs. Or if you really want extreme, insert a thumb tack into the peg. Sol made a very nasty little device doing that here:


When sol made this he told me it was "a two player game", he really could not play with this by himself. It was too painful. He once described it as "being like chili chocolate ... definitely got bite in it!". Here I am gently pressing the sharp bits into his nipple:


The nice thing about this design is that you can alter how much sharpness comes through. It means I can also bring this very scary looking device into play with other play partners, knowing that the internal sharp bits have been withdrawn ... "no no Mistress please don't!!" ... ah the power of the imagination!

MORE IDEAS WITH WOODEN PEGS:
THE ZIPPER

Another terrific thing you can do with regular size wooden pegs is make a zipper:


You need to cut off about two meters of string, put a knot in one end, then thread the string through the center of the metal spring in one of the clothespins. Then run the peg down the string, and tie another knot on the other side. Some people like to leave more space between the pegs but because I like using them on sol's genitals I like the pegs as close as possible.

Repeat for however many pegs you want to string together. I have thirteen pegs in the example above, but why not start with five or six? And work up to more if your sub enjoys it. When you've placed your last peg, do a final knot and leave a piece a string at the end as a sort of handle, you might like to put a final knot in it - like on the left hand side of the photo above.

Here's how I use our zipper. Here I am placing the 13 peg zipper on sol's cock and balls. I'm carefully placing each peg on the seam that runs up his balls. I want to pull the zipper from the end I'm starting, so you can see the end of the string hanging below his balls:


Keep in mind that when you place the zipper you can use more skin to make your sub comfortable during placement - however when you remove the zipper that extra skin will hurt more. You also don't need to connect all the pegs on your zipper.

Now the zipper is in place and ready to go. You can heighten the anticipation for your sub by running your hands over the pegs:


And masturbating him. This keeps the pleasurable sensations high ... he also knows what's coming LOL:


You can pull the zipper off fast if you want, but being on the genitals (and being a sadist) I prefer to do things slowly. The first two have come off now .. see the stretch on the skin?:


You might like to move your hand from the thread at the end to the last peg removed, when you get down to the last few pegs, like this below, to stablize the tension when you pull:


Removing the zipper creates a sharp, fast pain. Or lots of short, sharp fast pain if you do it slowly. Afterwards you can reduce the pain by placing your palm flat over the area, or a cold cloth from your aftercare kit.

More advanced zipper play: you can play endless zipper games by adding more pegs and reducing the size of your pegs (therefore upping the pressure on some sections). You can use other types of clamps - Wiki even notes "A zipper can also be created with temporary piercing needles" but that I haven't tried!

OTHER ADVANCED CLAMP GAMES:
THE RATCHET
(or any kind of pully)

We have a ratchet attached near our bed - you might want to consider something like this, or some kind of pully system so you can indulge in serious clamp play. We enjoy attaching clover clamps to sol and the ratchet and winching up the latter:


Here's a game you might like to try:

"tie one end of a long piece of twine to a clothespin. Run the twine through a pully in the ceiling, and attach a weight to the other end. Clamp the clothespin on your partner's nipple (or any other suitable place!), and have your partner hold the twine in his or her teeth, so that if your partner lets go, the weight will fall and pull the clothespin off. Now, see if you can make your partner let go."

A FINAL CLAMP GAME:
MAKING CLAMPS OUT OF
BAMBOO SKEWERS
(this one is easy!)

You'll need string and bamboo (BBQ or craft shop type) skewers. If you can't find these try chopsticks and rubber bands. Put two skewers together and tie at each end:


You should be able to put your fingers in like this, and feel the pressure on your fingers:


It won't feel intense. Make about a dozen tied pairs of skewers. Then for your first attempt, decorate sub's genitals with two pairs, like this:


For you second attempt (don't try this with chopsticks it will get too tricky), lie your sub down, torture his nipples for a while with the bamboo points:


Then slip as many skewers over his cock as you can.


He won't last too long, so make sure you get some good photos quickly!


RESOURCES AND ONLINE REFERENCES:

Wiki - Zipper
Fetish Exchange - Clothpins
Sex ideas and tips - nipple clamps
Jack Rinella Clips and clamps

photos: Ms160

Double caning with 15 minute time limit....

We'd spent a terrific weekend with Mistress_Angelicca and paddy. Now it was time to head home. We had about fifteen minutes before we had to leave .... hmmm, what to do? How about a quick caning?!

Regular readers will know sol and I adore caning and we have discovered we share caning interests with Mistress Angelicca and paddy. So why not a short, VERY sharp and sweet session to discourage our boys from being too naughty and also try out a few of each other's impact play toys? Here are our toys, which Mistress Angelicca was going to try:


And here are Mistress Angelicca and paddy's toys ... well, a tiny handful of them LOL ... for me to try ... yum!:


We directed the boys to strip and lean over the couch. Sol looked pretty in his pink g string! Mistress Angelicca warmed them up with her riding crop, with a series of quick taps of the crop's flat leather tip:


This brought the blood to the surface beautifully ... I ran my fingertips over sol's cheeks ... mmmm .... so hot already ... vibrant blushes of the best kind...

Then we each tried out a series of canes on our subs. Pacing and rhythm are very important during a caning scene, but today was less about the boys' pleasure and more about us having the chance to experiment. It's always fun to try other people's toys! Especially when your friends have good taste in canes - we spotted several (rattan ones) by our mutual friend Eric Carwardine (website here). Here's Mistress Angelicca trying our fiendish plastic covered wire cane on sol:


At one point Mistress Angelicca took this photo of me standing over our "prey" ... I wish you could see the grin I am wearing in this photo lol:


Actually I wish you could see the grins we both wore in ALL the photos! We really had a great time. Here are paddy's and sol's marks at the half way point:



Here are paddy's final marks. He had to finish up earlier than sol:


Mistress Angelicca and I then concluded with a double caning session on sol:


Desiring deep "thuddy" strokes to produce deep bruising we used our heaviest canes, and finally got his attention.


After some strokes I kept the cane in position against the skin, delaying the second wave of pain ... when I lifted it you could almost feel the throb of pain echo up the rattan...


It was also great that - I being left handed and Mistress Angelicca right handed - we worked well together as a pair.


I had just licked my fingers, then dragged the moisture over sol's raised welts - loving the ridges my finger tips encountered, the sponginess of the skin, the blood just below the surface - when...


Time up!

Damn! Never mind. We decided we'd continue the scene when we met in a couple of weeks time. Sol's final marks looked like this:


It made the drive home that afternoon rather difficult but he managed! I kept squeezing his ass cheeks whenever we stopped for a break, a tad mean I know but he made such nice noises...

Sol especially wanted me to post this photo of his morning after marks:


He is such a tart!

Thank you's owed yet again to
Mistress_Angelicca and paddy
for their kind hospitality
sharing of toys
AND
for returning the damn camera /laptop connection cord!

A NOTE FOR REGULARS:
WHY I'VE NOT WRITTEN A BDSM
FOR BEGINNERS POST ON CANING

Several regular readers have requested this but the topic is one of those that I really don't feel can be taught via cyber. Like other forms of intense play - for example my recent needle play workshop post, for example - it needs to be taught hands on. And to be honest I have a lot to learn myself.

However hang in there! I do hear you! I've put together some basic info and an online reading / reference list which I'll post on the BDSM For Beginners' blog soon :)

Photos:
Ms160, Mistress Angelicca and paddy

Ms160 + sol attend a kinky formal dinner...

candle light reflects on gleaming crystal...
(paddy took this shot!)

Sol and I dropped The XP at puppy storage and headed up the coast on Friday night. We were staying with Mistress_Angelicca and paddy for the weekend again, with plans to attend Paramount and absoleen's formal dinner party on Saturday night.

It's been a while since I attended a formal kinky dinner party. I missed the last one I was invited to at Uber, dammit, and still fantasize about the seriously kinky formal dinner Midori and I once discussed at the Museum of Contemporary Art ...

For readers who've not heard of them, check out this page promoting an EOS dinner in Edmonton. There is also a Formal Dining group on Fetlife. You can see formal dinners have the potential to be a lot of fun and we were looking forward to this one.

As always we got to bed very late on Friday, after trying out sol's and my canes on paddy (sol had already retired). On Saturday Rastas, a very respected member of the Oz scene who I'd long wanted to meet (he also made some thoughtful posts in my National BDSM event in Oz - Discussion Group) came to visit. I loved the long hours spent in great conversation that followed. Amongst other things we discussed jaffle irons (an Australian camp fire icon) and sol's and my plans for a kinky community.

Suddenly it was late afternoon and time to head to Paramount and absoleen's, especially as subs were required to arrive an hour early to be briefed about the evening's service.

Required dress for the evening was formal, kinky if you desired but definitely dress up. The male dominants wore suits and ties. Mistress Angelicca wore a long PVC gown with a black lace jacket and black boots. I went for vanilla black silk because I had to do some shopping on the way, with my PVC jacket to add when it became cooler. Subs wore what their owners' decided, and all looked very colorful. I dressed sol in leather collar and cuffs, black leather pants, a black T shirt and his scarlet embroidered waistcoat. I'll describe paddy's outfit later...

The journey across Brisbane took about half an hour. It nearly took much longer because we hand trouble finding the Allen's spearmint leaves lollies that absoleen had specifically requested we bring (along with valium LOL). Thank God I was able to snaffle the last four packets at a petrol station!

When we arrived we were greeted by our hosts, as well as the lovely "second slut in [Paramount's] life". While the subs were briefed in the kitchen we dominants hung out by the beautiful outdoor pool. The night was brilliantly clear and the sky was full of stars.

Later, when summoned, we walked down to the outdoor dinner table. I will never forget the sight of this exquisitely set table gleaming in candle light, with our subs standing behind each place. It actually gave me a shiver down my spine.

We dominants sat, our subs assisting (probably the first time sol has ever done that for me!). Then like the best servants, they all vanished. We all studied the round dinner table:


In the center of the table, directly on top of the carefully ironed white linen table cloth, were about a dozen white candles of differing height. The beautiful way the wax cascaded as they melted kept Mistress Angelicca entertained all night. More candles and fairy lights decorated the walls and ceiling of the outdoor pagoda area where we sat. Place settings were formal, every item of cutlery was polished to perfection, every linen napkin perfectly ironed and folded. The design of our name tags and menus was worthy of the best wedding.

The menu - six courses - was a delight:


Drink orders were taken. We all sat back and the conversation resumed. On one side of me was ED (EvilDeed), who's two female subs were serving that night. On my left was Rafn :


This was Rafn's first kinky event. Ever. That takes courage. Rafn and I had some great conversations and I'm really glad he enjoyed the evening (I hope he won't mind my quoting the comment he later left on veil's Fetlife wall "Thank you and all the others who made my night a memorable one. I enjoyed meeting all the new people. Even though I walked in not knowing a single person, I walked out with new friends and fresh ideas. I think I shall enjoy "partaking". :-)" ).

Our Maitre D (paddy) soon appeared, now dressed in very fetching latex with a silk cummerband and bow tie, and fabric cuffs LOL:


The back of the outfit was particularly fetching, and resulted in paddy having a very red ass by the end of the evening:


The courses - which were traditionally and formally arranged - began..

A salad course - crisp green salad with slivers of beef marinated with lemon grass (fucking brilliant, excuse my language but it was) - was followed by soup (fresh chicken and sweet corn soup with a roll) and then the entree (Americans reading this: entree to the rest of the world means the smaller course you call the starter): a zuchinni slice with goats cheese and caramelized onions:


Serving plates of food on large dishes is a great skill. The subs did VERY well. Removing courses went equally smoothly.

After the entree we paused for a break around the pool, where we were served a palette cleanser of lemon sorbet. The evening was proceeding well, so we dominants decided to up the pressure on the servers via a series of challenges. Throughout the evening we had requested football scores (at precisely 15 minute intervals ... which sol had been delivering perfectly). Now we upped the ante.

The two challenges I remember best involved eggs. First we requested accurate info on the price of eggs in China. The result was the following spreadsheet!!:


Cheeky buggers. So next we requested info on the "chicken and egg" philosophical debate. To make it harder, we demanded proof of which came first: the chicken or the egg. Absoleen's groan when she heard this request echoed from the kitchen, LOL. We returned to the dinner table with anticipation of how the subs would achieve this. We decided if we didn't like their response we'd just drag two of them up and make them debate it!

A main course (slow cooked lamb shanks with mashed potatoes and greens) (a very tasty vegetarian option was available) was now keeping us busy:


This was followed by a classic Crepe Suzette for dessert:


Sol was pleased to help make the sauce for this. He then delivered the subs' response to our chicken / egg question: five pages of philosophical debate with a final page featuring the twelve footnotes he'd quoted:


I read this out to the dominants during dessert. Here's a bit, courtesy of Wiki:

The chicken or the egg causality dilemma is commonly stated as "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Chickens hatch from eggs, but eggs are laid by chickens, making it difficult to say which originally gave rise to the other. To ancient philosophers, the question about the first chicken or egg also evoked the questions of how life and the universe in general began.^[1]

Cultural references to the chicken and egg intend to point out the futility of identifying the first case of a circular cause and consequence. It could be considered that in this approach lies the most fundamental nature of the question. A literal answer is somewhat obvious, as opposed to the logical fallacy of the metaphorical view, which sets a metaphysical ground on the dilemma. So, to understand its metaphorical meaning better, it could be reformulated as follows: "Which came first, X that can't come without Y, or Y that can't come without X?"

A lively debate on the chicken and the egg resulted!


Then it was time for a fantastic cane dance performance by veil.

Veil danced exquisitely around the dining table, extending the cane to each dominant, who laid a stroke across her behind:


She was joined by one of ED's subs for the final moments. We gave them a resounding round of applause:


Then it was time to move back to the pool for cigars. But first we assembled the serving staff to thank them. Here they are, kicking up their heels lol:


We thanked our hosts, and absoleen again thanked the subs, who had truly done an amazing job. And then it was time to get comfortable and relax. In fact I got so comfortable everyone kept teasing me for falling asleep!

In the car home the Great Egg and Chicken Debate continued, LOL....

Sincere thanks:
to our welcoming hosts
Paramount and absoleen

Photos:
Ms160, Mistress_Angelicca + paddy